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Hi All
I was diagnosed three weeks ago by a rheumatologist who my doctor referred me to after receiving the results of a blood test. He prescribed me MTX 20mg weekly, which I started that day. After taking two doses still hadn't heard from the doctor so I phoned him and asked whether I should have a blood test and chest x-ray. I had the blood test yesterday at the local hospital, but nothing was mentioned about a chest x-ray. Today I had a smear test with the nurse and raised my concerns to her, as I felt if I hadn't mentioned anything to my doctor then I would have just been forgotton until my tablets run out. She said to make an appointment to see the doctor which I have done, they do not have a nurse at the doctors who looks after patients with RA, but she believes they should and will raise it at her next practice meeting.
I don't want to be a pain but on the other hand need to know what I should be doing and looking out for. The appointment is tomorrow.
Had an awful day today very stiff and painful, took my third dose of MTX yesterday how long on average before it starts kicking in.
Once I know what I should be doing and get used to having RA I think I will be able to handle it better.
Have not been told to take Folic Acid which most of you seem to be doing.
Anne.
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Hi Anne A blood test is normally performed at the outset to lay down a baseline indicator against which future tests can be measured, it also confirms that no underlying infection is present prior to starting treatment. Chest X-Ray likewise is performed to ensure there is no pre-existing condition such as infection or TB. Normally this would be done by the rheumatologist prior to treatment starting. Most GP surgeries don't have a nurse specialising in RA; this is almost always under the remit of the rheumatology dept. at the hospital. That said even they don't all have a Rheumatology nurse! Majority of GP practices will not have enough patients with RA to warrant it. Methotrexate can take up to 12 weeks to kick in BUT it can be a lot less. It takes a while for it to build up in your system before results can be seen. However 20mg is a high dose so maybe you might expect to see some improvement in about 6 weeks or so. You do need to take folic acid, especially on such a high dose, it helps to combat some of the very toxic side effects of the mtx. Definitely need to ask for that pronto! I'm on 5mg folic acid 6 days a week and 15mg Methotrexate on the other day. I'm sorry you don't seem to have been given any guidance by your doctors on all this. It really isn't very good is it?! Do come back and ask if there's anything else comes to mind! Hope the appointment goes well and you get what you need Lyn x
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Hi Anne,
As Lyn says, you should have had a chest x-ray and blood tests before starting on mtx, and you should be having blood tests at least every two weeks to begin with. You also should have had chance to discuss the mtx with the rheumatology nurse before you started taking it but I don't think all hospitals do this. Did they give you a booklet to keep a record of your blood tests in? There is also a lot of useful information about mtx in there. Your GP should be able to sort out your blood tests for you if you will be having them done at the surgery, and the folic acid.
Doreen xx
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Hi Anne, As Lyn & Doreen have said, it is usual to have a chest X-ray before starting MTX - in fact I was given a Lung Function Test too. I`m surprised they have started you on 20mgs - normally they start lower and build up, but hopefully it might work more quickly for you.Do ask for some folic acid as it helps with side effects. Take care, Kathleen x
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Hello Ane yes should have chest x ray,bloods,full examination before commencing treatment,i however have not been given chest xray,bloods yes and folic acid i took im not on myx any more. im on planequil,good luck thats great your clinic nurse gonna raise about rheumy nurse being appointed,ps good you ahd smear best to keep ontop things. welcome to nras. melly cuddly cats make my world seem so much more fun
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Hi Anne, When I was diagnosed almost 3 years ago I was asked to come in to see the Rheumatology doctor, she then told me all about everything and said I would more than likely forget most of it. She went on to give me lots of prescriptions and letters for my doctor and lots of reading about RA. I received hand,feet and chest Xrays. I started low on The triple therapy and built up gradually. You should receive blood tests fortnightly to begin with then monthly, I am still on monthly bloods. I hope they treat you with a bit more care as it is a mind blowing thing to be told with no proper feed back. Like Lyn I am on MTX 15mg on a saturday and folic acid and Hydrox the other 6. I kept a diary in my first year on the drugs it helps. You will get lots of info on here, thinking about you take care Lorna  x
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Hi Anne Just to add to what I said previously (thought about it overnight!) and confirm what the others have said. You should be on blood tests every two weeks for the first 2/3 months so that the medics can check that you are 1) not having adverse reactions to the drug causing kidney and liver problems and 2) responding to the drug. You should have been given a Drug Monitoring book. This is kept by you and each time a blood test is done a few days later you can go into the surgery and ask the receptionists to put the results in. This is a record of your ongoing treatment and tests and should be taken to all appointments. This is important when you see different people in a team, rheumatologist, rheumy nurse, phlebotomist, GP and basically anyone else you may consult. It is full of good info too ... well mine is, but I don't suppose they are all the same! As Kathleen has said if you have a pre- existing lung/heart condition you will be given Lung Function tests BUT EVERYONE must have a chest X-Ray. They need to check for latent TB because it can cause significant problems when Mtx is used. Anne, I can't remember how old you are, I'm 53, and TB was quite prevalent when I was at Primary school, at least two members of staff had it and we all had to be innoculated. So it is really important that you have the X-ray before you take any more! I am really concerned that you haven't been given all this information and hope you pick this up before your appointment. If you want to get in touch with me about all this or if I can help in any way please give NRAS a call and ask them to put us in touch. I would give you my email but posting email addresses has caused problems of late!! Good Luck today Anne and keep us posted. Lyn x Checklist: 1.Folic Acid 2. Chest X-Ray 3. Monitoring Book 4. Fortnightly bloods to start, then monthly for .... ever!!! (or whatever!)
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Hi Anne
I can not add anything to what Lyn has already said but do get those bloods done as when i went on to MTX i was only on for about 2mths and they took me off it has my liver function was going made and you dont want that to happen I know how poorly i was when it happened I would not like anyone else to go though that, so please do take Lyns advice and if your appoinment is a little way a head ask for a new one which is sooner.
Good Luck let us know how you go everyone on hear will be thinging of you
Be safe
Audrey.
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LynW wrote:Hi Anne
Just to add to what I said previously (thought about it overnight!) and confirm what the others have said.
You should be on blood tests every two weeks for the first 2/3 months so that the medics can check that you are 1) not having adverse reactions to the drug causing kidney and liver problems and 2) responding to the drug.
You should have been given a Drug Monitoring book. This is kept by you and each time a blood test is done a few days later you can go into the surgery and ask the receptionists to put the results in. This is a record of your ongoing treatment and tests and should be taken to all appointments. This is important when you see different people in a team, rheumatologist, rheumy nurse, phlebotomist, GP and basically anyone else you may consult. It is full of good info too ... well mine is, but I don't suppose they are all the same!
As Kathleen has said if you have a pre- existing lung/heart condition you will be given Lung Function tests BUT EVERYONE must have a chest X-Ray. They need to check for latent TB because it can cause significant problems when Mtx is used. Anne, I can't remember how old you are, I'm 53, and TB was quite prevalent when I was at Primary school, at least two members of staff had it and we all had to be innoculated. So it is really important that you have the X-ray before you take any more!
I am really concerned that you haven't been given all this information and hope you pick this up before your appointment. If you want to get in touch with me about all this or if I can help in any way please give NRAS a call and ask them to put us in touch. I would give you my email but posting email addresses has caused problems of late!!
Good Luck today Anne and keep us posted.
Lyn x
Checklist: 1.Folic Acid 2. Chest X-Ray 3. Monitoring Book 4. Fortnightly bloods to start, then monthly for .... ever!!! (or whatever!)
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Thank you all for the information.
I am going to the doctors this evening and have noted what has been said in respect of blood tests chest X-ray and folic tablets.
Will let you know the outcome.
Anne
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Hello
I do feel that the system has let you down -poor you.
I can not add what Lynn has said I to had chest x ray, before even starting mtx (although not taking it any more) Hope gone well tonight
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Hi Anne, Your story doesn't surprise me. I've taken MTX for about 30 years and wasn't prescribed folic acid until a couple of years ago - my Rheumatologists thought I didn't need it. I also didn't have a chest x-ray before I recommenced taking it last November after a 10 month break for an infected hip replacement. Hopefully your doctor gave you more info last Friday? Carol
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Wow, the difference in standard of care is amazing. My GP, rheumatologist, rheumatology nurse etc have been fantastic. Whether it's because I go in armed with a list of questions, make notes and query things I'm not sure of/not happy about or because I really am very lucky I'm not sure.
I'll be taking my fourth dose of MTX tomorrow - 10mg. I started on 7.5mg for two weeks, this will be my second 10mg dose. I go back next week for a review. I didnt' need a chest x-ray as I'd had one not long before for something else plus I'd had a CT scan for swollen glands as a result of a severe allergic reaction to sulfasalazine. My rheumy was being uber-cautious that it wasn't something worse thank God. More blood tests than you can shake a stick at but now I'm on the fortnightly tests at the hospital and will revert to my GP for monthly tests when my dose is stabilised.
I have my book and my rheumatology team write to my GP after every appointment, copying me in each time so I have a full history in a lever arch folder.
Good luck with the MTX and ongoing treatment. It's a disgrace they've not told you what you need to know. Next time go in wiht a list of questions and don't be afraid to challenge them. This is your health, your body.
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Hi Anne, Sorry it's so delayed but welcome to the forum and so sorry to hear you have this terrible illness! My name's Hannah, I'm 16 and the baby of the forum I started on mtx like you, I'm not sure how long it's supposed to take to kick in, but unfortunately mtx didn't work by itself for me, so after about 7 months I was put onto another injection called embrel. Don't worry about worrying and asking questions, do what you have to do to learn about the illness, you will get there eventually  I'm still learning new things about RA to this day and I've had RA for 2 years now! Things will become much clearer, and once you know what's what you will begin to learn to manage things. Keep posting on the forum, helps lots! Hannah x
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AnnieB wrote:Hi All
I was diagnosed three weeks ago by a rheumatologist who my doctor referred me to after receiving the results of a blood test. He prescribed me MTX 20mg weekly, which I started that day. After taking two doses still hadn't heard from the doctor so I phoned him and asked whether I should have a blood test and chest x-ray. I had the blood test yesterday at the local hospital, but nothing was mentioned about a chest x-ray. Today I had a smear test with the nurse and raised my concerns to her, as I felt if I hadn't mentioned anything to my doctor then I would have just been forgotton until my tablets run out. She said to make an appointment to see the doctor which I have done, they do not have a nurse at the doctors who looks after patients with RA, but she believes they should and will raise it at her next practice meeting.
I don't want to be a pain but on the other hand need to know what I should be doing and looking out for. The appointment is tomorrow.
Had an awful day today very stiff and painful, took my third dose of MTX yesterday how long on average before it starts kicking in.
Once I know what I should be doing and get used to having RA I think I will be able to handle it better.
Have not been told to take Folic Acid which most of you seem to be doing.
Anne.
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Hello i am a new member, i was Diagnosed RA on the 14 may 2010 after having blood tests at my local hospital i then got a urgent phone call from my rheumatologist . I am on methotrexate & hydroxychloroquine & folic acid just started a week ago. If possible can i ask for advice please i am now getting painful nodules on my hands & feet i had surgery on thur on my thumb i had a Debridement can the nodules grow back ? Manythanks Graham
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